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10:44 am
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May 6, 2010
So I log on to start taking my WHU hunter to the new level cap and I get slotted into a group in one of the the SSC dungeons (I can never keep them straight but I think it was Underbog). There is a rogue in the group with me. We crush our first trash pack and her and I both start skinning mobs. I figure we’ll just take turns since there’s 2 of us in the group that skin. After about the 4th pack of trash she says in party chat:
“So you use all that leather in engineering, do ya?” (My hunter is an enigineer and skinner)
“No, I skin for the crit rating” I reply.
“Well I skin and need the leather for my LW” she says.
“That’s why I’m taking turns” I say.
Without further comment and shortly thereafter I am kicked from the group. Wow! Did that just happen? I am surprised because when people say anything about me in a dungeon they usually remark that they’re happy to see the WHU under my hunter’s name because they know I’m not going to do stupid things and I’m going to bring the pain and, thusly, speed up the run.
In the end I’m just surprised that a group would want to kick me when I was doing over 1k DPS (compared to the 600 the feral druid was doing and the 500 the rogue was doing) and the only thing I was doing “wrong” was trying to level my chosen profession in a fair manner (and not racing to see who could skin which corpse before the other person got to it). Ah well…I guess that’s why they let us re-q for the dungeons, amirite?
"At the end of the day, only two things matter: intelligence, phat lewtz and survivalfulness!"
12:15 pm
Veteran
February 24, 2011
Iz becoz huntardz iz n00b.
That's the only “explanation” I've ever really seen.
I'm not excusing the mistakes I make in dungeons from time to time (such as accidentally sending my pet to the next trash group…how this happens sometimes I don't know), but people seem to have a really low view of Hunters in general.
Maybe it's why we're constantly nerfed, lol. >_>
But when a Mage pulls the next trash mob, it's OK. Completely, magically, inexplicably OK.
/facepalm
If a Tauren Hunter and a Tauren Druid marry and have children, you will end up with BraveStarr and Thirty-Thirty.
6:31 am
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May 29, 2010
12:54 pm
Veteran
September 26, 2010
Takaas said:
Nah, if a Mage makes a mistake it’s the Hunter’s fault as well.
And also when the warrior charges the wrong trash pack, when the warlock'
s pet agros the wrong trash pack…
and when the frost mage ices the hunter's target…
and when the dk's pet causes a wipe…
and when the drood starfalls an entire chamber…
and when the shadow priest fears something into another trash pack…
or when the paladin consecrates in the wrong place and agros 3 trash packs at once…
yeah it's ALWAYS the huntard's fault.
Guess why I don't bother pugging any more!
Cheers,
D
7:46 pm
One time they kicked me for saying “Wow, you guys suck so bad you died on a boss I can solo.” after I solod the boss on my blood dk tank when they all died.
They also tend to get mad at me for refusing to wait for the healer to drink before pulling because I do more HPS than him anyways, been kicked more than once for that. Don't really know why, what does waiting for someone matter when I can solo the whole damn place anyways?
Oh, and the usual getting kicked for complaining to the dps for doing less dps than my blood dk. That one is pretty common.
Another time I got kicked for calling the other 2 dps noobs for doing less than my pet on my hunter.
Like, I know I generally do more than both the other 2 in a random heroic, but is it so much to ask that they outdps me when I'm tanking, or at least outdps my kitty? I don't think it is asking too much.
5:23 am
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February 24, 2011
Well, in my experience calling people names and constantly complaining about the other members of the group isn't really a very surprising reason to get booted. No one likes to be called names, however fitting we may think they are. I've done my share of complaining, but I'm more likely to leave a group like that.
And the soloing the boss situation sorta goes against the whole “group” concept, so maybe the other 4 people in the group didn't feel like you were being a team player?
Just sayin
6:50 am
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May 6, 2010
Bandet said:
One time they kicked me for saying “Wow, you guys suck so bad you died on a boss I can solo.” after I solod the boss on my blood dk tank when they all died.
They also tend to get mad at me for refusing to wait for the healer to drink before pulling because I do more HPS than him anyways, been kicked more than once for that. Don’t really know why, what does waiting for someone matter when I can solo the whole damn place anyways?
Oh, and the usual getting kicked for complaining to the dps for doing less dps than my blood dk. That one is pretty common.
Another time I got kicked for calling the other 2 dps noobs for doing less than my pet on my hunter.
Like, I know I generally do more than both the other 2 in a random heroic, but is it so much to ask that they outdps me when I’m tanking, or at least outdps my kitty? I don’t think it is asking too much.
I'd kick a tank that let the group die, too. If you're out dps-ing them all then how is the boss getting away to kill them? They can't possibly be pulling aggro off you. Macho tanks who let groups die just to show how awesome they are as they finish off a boss are the jerks.
Hi. I'm Lawman30. Welcome to the Lodge. We don't brag about acting like tools to other players here. Do we complain or comment when we get kicked from groups for reasons we can't understand? Obviously. That's how I started this thread. I didn't say in my post how I was mad that I got kicked for out-dpsing the dps. It was more of a “Huh. I don't get that.”
I would vote to kick you or anyone else for telling other players they suck.
I would vote to kick you or anyone else for being a steamroller who won't wait on the group.
I would vote to kick you or anyone else who complains that they are doing more dps as a tank than some of the dps might be doing.
The bottom line is this, Bandet: Not everyone is as geared/skilled/experienced as you. Believe it or not, some people you meet while leveling are leveling their first toons ever and actually LEARNING TO PLAY THE GAME/THEIR CLASS! People who act like jerks to them don't make the game fun for them. Take a look around this site. We are the folks who lean towards helping other players have more fun in the game. If that is not how you choose to roll then please don't darken our door again. Go back to the official WoW forums.
"At the end of the day, only two things matter: intelligence, phat lewtz and survivalfulness!"
7:45 am
Lodge Muse
August 6, 2010
Bandet, most of your posts up to this point have been pretty helpful, or at least amusing, but your contribution to this thread is ‘exactly’ the sort of attitude we don’t welcome on this site.
Frankly, I’m disappointed.
If recognition of your WoW prowess and validation for your in-game accomplishments is what you seek, then I suggest you look elsewhere.
If you’d like to continue posting as a knowledgeable and skilled hunter who is ‘eager-to-help’, then by all means carry on.
Please curtail the elitist BS. That type of response will earn you zero respect here, and certainly won’t make you any friends.
10:28 am
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May 6, 2010
Garwulf said:
Please curtail the elitist BS. That type of response will earn you zero respect here, and certainly won't make you any friends.
And Gar should know a thing or two about making friends. He has 1,6 of them here.
Bandet, I was curious about Gar's comment that your previous posts had been pretty helpful so I looked them up and read them (most of them were related to PvP questions/threads, which explains why I hadn't seen them, and I have a hard time having 'normal' fun in PvP).
You DO seem to be rather helpful and non-critical of the people asking the questions so I am somewhat confused as to what got you going in this thread. Whatever it was, I hope you go back to being 'helpful Bandet' instead of 'sumg Bandet'. But I do understand that my opinion does not make the world go 'round. I just think you'll fit in better around here if you want to stay.
"At the end of the day, only two things matter: intelligence, phat lewtz and survivalfulness!"
12:18 pm
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May 29, 2010
lawman30 said:
Bandet said:
One time they kicked me for saying “Wow, you guys suck so bad you died on a boss I can solo.” after I solod the boss on my blood dk tank when they all died.
They also tend to get mad at me for refusing to wait for the healer to drink before pulling because I do more HPS than him anyways, been kicked more than once for that. Don't really know why, what does waiting for someone matter when I can solo the whole damn place anyways?
Oh, and the usual getting kicked for complaining to the dps for doing less dps than my blood dk. That one is pretty common.
Another time I got kicked for calling the other 2 dps noobs for doing less than my pet on my hunter.
Like, I know I generally do more than both the other 2 in a random heroic, but is it so much to ask that they outdps me when I'm tanking, or at least outdps my kitty? I don't think it is asking too much.
I'd kick a tank that let the group die, too. If you're out dps-ing them all then how is the boss getting away to kill them? They can't possibly be pulling aggro off you. Macho tanks who let groups die just to show how awesome they are as they finish off a boss are the jerks.
Hi. I'm Lawman30. Welcome to the Lodge. We don't brag about acting like tools to other players here. Do we complain or comment when we get kicked from groups for reasons we can't understand? Obviously. That's how I started this thread. I didn't say in my post how I was mad that I got kicked for out-dpsing the dps. It was more of a “Huh. I don't get that.”
I would vote to kick you or anyone else for telling other players they suck.
I would vote to kick you or anyone else for being a steamroller who won't wait on the group.
I would vote to kick you or anyone else who complains that they are doing more dps as a tank than some of the dps might be doing.
The bottom line is this, Bandet: Not everyone is as geared/skilled/experienced as you. Believe it or not, some people you meet while leveling are leveling their first toons ever and actually LEARNING TO PLAY THE GAME/THEIR CLASS! People who act like jerks to them don't make the game fun for them. Take a look around this site. We are the folks who lean towards helping other players have more fun in the game. If that is not how you choose to roll then please don't darken our door again. Go back to the official WoW forums.
*applaud*
5:18 am
Veteran
May 6, 2010
Bandet said:
Again, I don’t think asking someone to outdps my pet is being elitist.
Maybe not (I suppose it depends on your gear vs. their gear, how well you know your class vs. how well they know their class, etc.). However, most of the junk from the original post is elitist.
I am very much of the opinion that he who is confident in his/her own skills and ability to adapt will go farther than he/she who needs to constantly go off about how awesome they are as opposed to others.
As an example: Yesterday there was a person on their mount parked smack dab in the middle of the doorway to the SW trade district AH. They were riding a purple firehawk. I had never seen one and didn’t know where it came from (although my guess was its this expansions Frostwyrm raid mount equivalent) so I asked the person “Where did you get your mount?” “From the mailbox.” was their reply. WTF?! She parked herself in a place of prominence on a mount most of our server hadn’t seen yet (and I don’t even know…are the purple firehawks common on other servers?) and then acts like a tool when someone askes her about it?! DBAD FFS!!!!!
Just sayin’.
"At the end of the day, only two things matter: intelligence, phat lewtz and survivalfulness!"
5:59 am
You would have to have a HUGE gear advantage to be able to have your pet alone outdps someone even as bm (if you weren't abusing a glitched pet, like that disease cloud dog….. Managed to get him top 10 in my 25 man raid once, but that is another matter)
Simple fact is, there is a line in which it is acceptable, to me, for someone to be bad enough for me to actually call them “a bad”. Having them being able to outdps my pet is that line. I do not feel that is too much to ask.
I guess you guys don't understand how bad one has to be for this to actually happen and merit telling one he is bad:
I stated in my first post: “Like, I know I generally do more than both the other 2 in a random heroic”
I know that, and I find it acceptable, and I don't hold it against them, they are pugs. If I actually find the madness needed to go and que up for a random, I expect that.
But, being outdpsed by my pet is crossing the line, seriously.
A ret paladin just autoattacking and doing no abilities will outdps my pet. Somehow, they manage to do less dps than someone autoattacking.
Sorry, that is bad.
And how does someone improve if they don't know/wont accept they are bad? That is the first step, however mean it sounds, I will tell them where to find the information to improve if they ask, they don't, they just kick me for calling them bad instead of realizing “Woah, this guys pet is outdpsing me, maybe he IS right?”
As for my gear, It really isn't that amazing. I almost never have more than 2-3 heroic pieces, and I usually raid in tier 2 pvp guns. I generally don't raid in top end PvE guilds. I don't want or need full heroic gear, I just am there for some pieces for PvP, and my guild generally understands that. They take me because they know I will continually keep myself well geared for PvE so that when new content comes out, I will be ready to raid it so that I can get that new shiny (whatever it may be), and that I will continue to raid even after I have maximum gear for dkp, so that I will have priority on whatever it is I need.
And because I am good at hunter, which for the most part is always guaranteed at least one viable dps spec, even if it isn't the best one out there (but it is usually close)
10:30 am
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May 6, 2010
Diff'rnt strokes for diff'rnt folks, I guess.
If I notice someone is really underperforming in a dungeon, I'll whisper them and ask them if they have questions or want help. If they say yes, I like to think I offer helpful advice in a friendly manner. Based on your whole original post, you don't seem to like doing that. You like to tell people they “suck” when they die to a boss you claim to be tanking while out dps-ing them so I still don't know how the boss is killing them unless you're letting it. By your own admission, you don't like to wait for the group and you “complain” about the dps.
If that's how you wanna roll, bro, fine. Just don't expect anyone here to give you a “Hell yeah!” when you first talk about putting people down and then try to come back and make it seem like you really try to be helpful at first. You claim that you'd be willing to offer advice to the people you group with “if they ask.” The problem is that no one wants to ask someone for help who's telling them that they suck, that they're noobs, and who complains first about their performance in front of the rest of the group.
Again, your posts in the PvP threads do make it seem like you can give thoughtful, if somewhat abrasive, advice. Your posts in this thread, however, show a genuine disdain for PvE players that don't meet your standards. Cerainly nothing wrong with that. It's just that on this site, YOU will be the one called out for that kind of junk. Not the other way around.
"At the end of the day, only two things matter: intelligence, phat lewtz and survivalfulness!"
Bandet, I'm really sorry….but everyone here is right.
This thread was started to recall those times when we got dissed in groups for the stupidest reasons. By “stupid” we mean that we didn't even know what was up with the kickvotes. Getting kicked for innocently skinning beasts and dragonkin when nobody had clearly stated that they had dibs on all the skinnable mobs is one of them.
Like I said, I do not excuse my mistakes in a dungeon. I try to apologize when I make a mistake. Especially when I am new to an instance and am still feeling my way around. If I be kicked from a group because I wiped them repeatedly due to my foolishness, fine with me. I'll take the licking. But getting kicked for rolling Need on an item that my class *can* use and hearing someone else who *also* rolled need for it QQ about how I had a higher roll and that I was a “ninja” when the item was fair game? Now that's stupid.
But the reasons you gave count as being disrespectful. Granted, an MMO is the kind of game where your personality will manifest itself. But you're manifesting it to the world at large, in a public setting. You're dealing with different kinds of people here and not all of them are on the same level as you. Not all people are tough guys. Not all people can perfect their rotation with their eyes closed. Not everyone can scatter trap their mouseover or focus target while unloading a cooldown on their primary kill target and sending their pet to CC a third at the same time. Some of those players you may be running across are either too young or getting over the hill. You never know who's behind the keyboard.
Sure, your pet is outDPSing the other two guys. You can steamroll the dungeon with your tank even as the healer is constantly running OOM and the DPSers are struggling to keep up. So? Help them out a bit and ask them if they're having problems. But calling them names and engaging in a war of words isn't what we would call “helping”.
If a Tauren Hunter and a Tauren Druid marry and have children, you will end up with BraveStarr and Thirty-Thirty.
3:08 pm
The first 2000 people you try to help results in no effect, after 3 years, you stop beating your head against a wall.
If a tank enters your ZG in full greens, and your appropriately geared healer keeps running oom every fight from being forced to spam heal the inadequate tank, which causes you to wipe… Do you kick the healer for not managing his mana properly? No, you kick the tank because he has no business being in there with that gear. He should either get some crafted gear, some quest/rep rewards, or just run easier dungeons until he is up to par.
The problem, it seems to me, is that people are expecting to not have to pull their weight in dungeons, especially with the dungeon system as there is no penalty for just doing nothing, as you will never play with them again. Dps should not be excused of this because they are dps. Sure, the group CAN do still finish with 4 if one guy dies every fight, but is it fair to the four to be forced to carry his weight the entire way? If they cannot pull the numbers that are needed, THEY need to take responsibility and improve themselves, not sit around and expect everyone else to do their job for them. Some people kick for doing less than 8k dps.. All I want is them to outdps my pet, which is probably about 2-3k.
And I am sorry, for the most part if they can’t do 3k in a 5 man at 85, they ARE bad and should look to improve themselves before hindering others.
If they are forcing me to carry them, they get to hear me complain at them. Fair is fair.
7:01 pm
Veteran
September 26, 2010
Bandet said:
Simple fact is, there is a line in which it is acceptable, to me, for someone to be bad enough for me to actually call them “a bad”. Having them being able to outdps my pet is that line. I do not feel that is too much to ask.
I guess you guys don't understand how bad one has to be for this to actually happen and merit telling one he is bad:
And how does someone improve if they don't know/wont accept they are bad? That is the first step, however mean it sounds, I will tell them where to find the information to improve if they ask, they don't, they just kick me for calling them bad instead of realizing “Woah, this guys pet is outdpsing me, maybe he IS right?”
Okay, time for the old man in the group to lean on in…
Calling somebody names, is not ever likely to have them seek your advice. Especially if you're using party chat to do it.
How about a “… Not sure if your realise, if you xxxx and then yyyy” I think you'd see a great improvement in your dps. If you want some help, let me know…”
Now, how many readers would respond to that over “you're bad!”
I know my usual response to anything like “You're bad” is “STFU and play your own game!” even when it's not directed at me.
Bandet, you may well be the most skilled player on your server, your battlegroup or the whole damn game, but nobody will care a hoot if you act like a prick about it.
Enough said,
D
8:02 am
Veteran
April 10, 2010
I’m the old man here and enough already. Nobody cares about how 'great' any other player is save themselves-I am fanf**kingtastic by the way.
I’ve received some great info from Bandet and others as it pertains to PvP. That being said, I receive great info here all the time and give absolutely terrible so it’s a win win
One thing I do know after a week of PvP is the fn whining about how so and so sucks, the snivelling about how ‘fail’ the group is and all that other crap. God it cracks me up-especially when the leet players leave the fn BG before it’s over-wusses. Seen it before, nothing changes. But I say f**k em and have fun-nothing better than watching a geared to the nuts player get raped whilst trying to solo the other side Prolly no diff in leet raids n such.
If you need validation from strangers about a game , get a rope, a gun and find a bridge. Tie rope around neck, toss self off bridge and pull trigger as you’re falling. Hell you can make a macro for it if somebody already hasn’t.
Here endeth the lesson-next!
Not knowing you aren't supposed to be able to achieve something often ensures that you will. Book of Agio 22:2
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